There’s not a lot that is new. I’m still looking for a good bunch of guys around my age, that are seasoned and wanting to do the type of material that I guess that I’m known for, which is bashing on the drums. Plus, it’s the material that I love playing. I am working with a guy named Carl Della Vella, which I believe you know, he’s a good bass player, the guitar player is great, he’s a younger guy named Lee Oliver, they’re excellent players. We just aren’t sure of a direction yet. We were going to hang around locally and play a few covers and what not, but we kind of got bored with that really quick. So now the last couple of months, we’ve been writing and it has been sounding pretty good. We’re recording it ourselves. Well, laughs , it started out that way.
Ludwig serial numbers & mfg. dates
History[ edit ] Early years, Pikul EP — [ edit ] The band members are friends who had played together previously. They began their career in Los Angeles clubs, most often at Silverlake Lounge or nearby Spaceland, and began to draw a strong following upon the release of the Pikul EP. The band originated in L. However the band has stated that this is untrue. One of the friends would often arrive at the store late at night to buy liquor, making a “Silversun Pickup.
Both of them were headed to Cambridge for a school exchange program.
Anyway, we put out this ad and we got this bass player from San Diego and his name was Don Costa.
It appears that most of the effort on Ludwig drum dating focused on the Keystone badge drums. I think that most sources are in general agreement when it comes to this era of drums. Of the three Ludwig dating charts presented on the vintagedrumguide http: Whether this is because of lack of interest, lack of interior date stamps, or some other reason, I am not sure.
I have the same frustration with the Standard series. The vintagedrumguide has the following statement: The Standard drums do not fit the serial numbers. This is likely because of lack of available data. The dates appeared either stamped on the shells or on labels inside the drums. On the labels it appears that sometimes the dates were straight forward and at other times a date code was used. It appears that the same date code was put on the label for a large number of drums, making me think that it was not really a datecode at all.
This same issue existed for Gretsch, which discontinued interior date stamps prior to starting the use of serial numbers. Without date stamps, one must rely upon a number of other varaibles to produce a reliable estimation tool. I collected information for several years before I published a Gretsch dating guide last month.
Dating ludwig vistalites
The evolution of Ludwig hardware is a detailed and multi-faceted story. For this reason and the aforementioned trend of updating vintage drums, hardware will not be covered in this guide. Date Stamp Date stamps are simultaneously the best and worst means to properly date a Ludwig drum from the ’60s use of the date stamp was discontinued ca. A drum was stamped when the shell was finished, providing the most accurate depiction of the age of wood due to the fact final assembly came later.
The difficulty in date stamps is, more often than not, that the stamp has been rendered illegible or removed completely due to the wear and tear of the years. Aside from the exact date printed on the shell, the color of ink used will assist in identifying the era of the drum and indicate the possibility of forgery.
I didn’t know where to go.
At approximately the , mark in the serial number sequence, Ludwig discontinued the brass Keystone badge and replaced it with the blue and olive parallelogram-shaped badge. The manufacturing division at Ludwig was divided into two basic departments: Shells were constructed, wrapped in mylar, and date stamped in the wood shop. Then the shells were drilled and hardware, heads and badges were installed in final assembly. Sometimes we had thousands of undrilled shells all stacked up on shelves.
When assembly needed a certain size shell in a particular finish, it was pulled from the shelf and sent off to them. Due to the time lapse between when a shell was date stamped and when the badge was installed, some of the drums assembled on the same day with closely matching serial numbers had date stamps that were months apart from one another It also meant that some of the drums with production date stamps close to one another, would have badges with serial numbers that were tens of thousands of digits apart.
When assembly needed more badges, we just took any box at random and put it on the assembly bench. Our main concern was to keep things moving. Ludwig about the probability of a leftover box or two stagnating for months at the bottom of a stack.
Vintage Drum Center 60’s Ludwig dating guide. Dating ludwig vistalites dates Both groupings mentioned are Vistalites It appears that most of the effort on Ludwig drum dating focused on the. From the back of catalogs. With that said many drum companies never even used serial numbers early on. Dating ludwig vistalites from the exact date printed on the shell, the color of ink used will assist in identifying the era of the drum and indicate the possibility of forgery.
They wanted them to be very accessible, real commercial.
Search our web sites! From here you should be able to gather information to determine what Ludwig Drums you have and what year they were made. What you might not know if you are new to vintage drums is that manufactureres did not keep accurate records and inventory control was not part of the daily operations of drum making. One day a box of drum badges could turn up or in many cases new serial number badges were put on top of older serial number badges making it difficult for us today to know exactly when the drum was made.
Regardless, there are three different Ludwig Serial Number dating guides, drum badge dating guides and all sorts of Ludwig History. Just follow the links below This web site is connected to a large drum forum related to vintage drums where you could do even more research and or become a member to ask qeustions and learn from people that have been collecting for many years. The Vintage Drum Forum can be found by clicking here. Here are links to the different Ludwig Drum Company History sections on this web site that will help you pin point the year and type of Ludwig drums you have.
From the back of catalogs.
Vintage Drum Guide Search our web sites! I get emails all of the time with a basic drum description and a serial number from visitors in hopes I can unlock the history of their drum. I think in general serial numbers do play an important role in the commercial market especially electronics and other high end items. In the 60’s Insurance companies made it mandatory that serial numbers be put on items so they can be documented.
So it got to where it was like a business.
Sometimes we would buy only one keg, knowing that the party was going to be shut down before we could finish that keg.